MP: All right, welcome to the Teleclass. This is Mark Peysha with the Robbins-Madanes Training, Cloe Madanes from the Robbins & Madanes Training and we’re very excited to get started. This week has been an intense process for all of us and we’re very happy that you made it here. It’s a great class. We’ve had communications with so many of you – a very diverse, very interesting people from all over the world, of different types of professions, professional backgrounds, from people who have a lot of training experience as a coach and to people who have no training experience as a coach but who want to become coaches or want to implement this in your professional life or in other areas of your life. So, we’re just so happy to have you here. We have some new countries on board that we never had before. It’s a very international group. And so, Cloe, if there’s anything you’d like to say, I will then go on to – it may – it takes a few minutes to be very clear about with what’s ahead for us in the training.
C: Yes. Go ahead and if I have something to add, I’ll interrupt.
MP: Great! Okay. So, I just want to be very clear about what the sequence is for the training. We’re right now in the first five weeks, we’re going to be more intensive and it’s going to be – we’re going to be releasing one module and one call per week for five weeks, and then it will shift down to once every ten days and the reason is 'cause we’re all very excited and it’s great to get this fundamental concepts under our belts.
So, the sequence you want to follow is: 1. You will watch the video of any module. So, you’ll go to the modules you have in your membership site and you can watch the video. 2. Complete the homework and as you’ll see the homework gets emailed to us immediately where we read it and it gets placed in your personal homework archives. So, to see that no one else gets to read her homework, you can be completely confidential about it. It’s only going to be seen by Cloe and myself and yourself. 3. You attend the teleclass with us and this is an intercession right now where we will be sharing with you some of the foundational strategy and the strategic intervention which we call mega strategies and we’ll talk about them in greater depth in a few minutes.
And so those are the first three steps, the teleclass will be recorded…
C: Mark, let me interrupt just for a moment. And my little lecture that comes before the sale, how do they get that?
MP: Yes. I’m sorry.
C: The little lecture that comes before the sale, am I right? It’s for the module. Where is that?
MP: That’s right next to the homework.
C: Okay.
MP: So basically the video, the little lecture and the home work – all of one piece – and those who actually, those that record parts of the training requirements, “is to watch the film, read the little lecture and do the homework.” And so then the teleclasses are a bonus that we feel a very important bonus in the training because in that Cloe now will be giving you a whole another way of looking at the films in the intervention. So even if you have had experience watching the Ultimate Relationship Program films, or if you’ve seen this film, or you’re familiar with them, you’re about to open up a whole another level of understanding and how those strategic, how those interventions work, exactly what Tony did.
Inside the films, we created the films to help people who are in a relationship trouble not necessarily for coaches or for people who want to understand exactly how Tony unlocked, you know, that person’s problem and solved it. And so, in our sessions we will really be going into the detail. And so, after those three steps, watching the video, reading the lecture and completing the homework and then attending the Teleclass, the additional activities are for you to join the forum where you get to interact with each other, share ideas, master mind, ask for advice, we have incredibly talented and good-hearted people on board. People are generating new ideas about core concepts like the Six Human Needs, doing their own analysis of Tony’s interventions. It’s fascinating. It’s amazing, their expertise. You can contact there so spend sometime there.
The study buddy program is the next piece and so if you need to be hooked up with a buddy, look for an email from me later this week. This applies to anyone in the training, whatever your membership, you can get a buddy. So, we’ll pair you with someone. You will receive a series of study buddy assignments, and exercise that you can do together. This is short. The two of you can work at the logistics but assignments take maybe 30 minutes and each person takes it 15 minutes or so. And you can schedule this however you like if you work it out between the two of you, once a week, once every two weeks and so forth.
And if you want two buddies or three, you know, that’s fine. We can help you put as many people and we also recommend that time to time people switch buddies. So people need to switch as often if they just want to get a little more variety, interaction with more people, experience with a little more different type of people. So I’d say it is a kind of thing where people you know, makes friends with the buddy and then they can get another buddy as well, and that’s totally cool with us.
C: Let me add something to that, it’s not mandatory to have a buddy however.
MP: That’s right.
C: Some people prefer not doing that kind.
MP: Yes. So, we want to be, we want to be clear with that. The mandatory parts are to watch the films.
C: And do the homework. Just that.
MP: Read the homeworks and do the little lecture that is associated with the home work. That is the mandatory part. The other parts are just for engaging more deeply and more thoroughly and spending more time.
So the next piece to know about is the private podcast so everyone can be getting the films and audios on their private podcast in your iTunes account. So, if you don’t have an iTunes account yet, that’s fine. If you have a computer, it takes a few minutes to set it up and we’ll help you with that. And iTunes means that you will get your stack of videos and audios delivered to your computer in a way that is easy to transfer to your cell phone, or iPod or other device. I’ll be sending out information on how to do that later this week or possibly Monday.
And we need to have our text support ready for you to make sure that everyone if you have any problems, we’ll be right there with you. Hopefully get everybody resolved from then the next week. And this is also great. It makes it very portable. So if you spend a lot of time in transit, or you travel on the plane you could just open up your laptop or your device and watch all your films and do another module of training. And also why sometimes you hear from people who have sometimes spent time in places with internet is very poor so this is the place where you could load up on all your materials and even if you’re traveling in, in the hour you know the northwest or the mountains or wherever the signal is not very strong you can continue with the training.
So the next piece is the acceleration program, that’s the program where you can basically – people who don’t want to go the modules – they want to go there more quickly – I’ll talk to you later this week about how to open your questionnaire and you can request that option. And just a quick overview, the other bonus that we mentioned the marketing module, the workplace intensive will start around in September when people are back from summer vacation. I think we’ll all be more present and to dig our teeth into into those topics. We’ll have the syllabus and schedules are free by Monday and you’ll get the big view of what’s ahead.
The basic summary though is that we’ll be going five weekly teleclasses, five Wednesdays and for the foundational concepts of strategic intervention that we’re moving to another area called Mastery units. And the Mastery unit is a cluster of four to six modules focusing on a specific topic that you could have mastered. And the mastery unit focus on understanding the different phases of life or some mastery units focus on areas of life which is health.
In each case, the purpose of mastery unit is to deliver the most useful strategies that you could contribute to someone in that area. You may not become an expert with this but if someone is having a problem in that area, as an interventionist you going to understand the key points, the key progress that can be made. And so if you happen to be working with a client who’s frustrated about their weight you’ll have ways to understand and help. Or if you’re working with someone who’s have career performance issues and you learned that it’s because they have little kids and they are fighting with their spouse, well you’ll know how to make a difference in a very elegant and effective way.
And finally, the big picture our goal here is to equip you guys to be awesome, strategic intervention coaches. So, wherever in society you happen to be operating we think it’s time that professionals and people in general had a higher standard for knowing how to make others, help other people make changes and we’re really looking forward to the develop ourselves and take this mission forward. So, whether you’re going to be a full time coach or work in another profession, or help people around you, wherever you are you’re going to be able to change some lives and so with that wish that we start this program. So one last thing, practicality about 45 minutes at the end of this call we will be answering questions. So if you have any questions at any point feel free to press star-two and raise your hand and get in line. Also I can see you guys on the webcast so feel free to enter your questions a well. Okay. So, Cloe, shall we start?
C: Yeah. So I’m going to talk a little bit about what’s strategic intervention and coaching are and what is strategic coaching.
MP: What we’ve done is that we took the best of the coaching field and the best of strategic intervention and integrated the two. So what that means, is that if this is the best of Tony Robbins combined with the best of my work and we built on the contribution of important people in the field such as Milton Erickson. Ericsson originated three main schools of therapy and that will be strategic brief therapy and strategic family therapy. And if so in that sense Tony comes from an NLP background and I come from a strategic therapy background but we both – it comes from the work of Milton Erickson that influenced Tony greatly through the work of Grinder, one of the creators of NLP.
So we also took the best of Gestalt therapy and the best of social psychology, organizational psychology and integrated with the work of the Harvard School in terms of mediation and negotiation. So what is characteristic of this approach is that whether you’re working with an individual, a couple or a group, this is an interaction of view. So we never have the narrow perspective of just an individual that we’re trying to influence. We are always influencing relationships, we are always thinking of the larger social context, the social structure, the interactions between people. And we are very aware of hierarchy and cross-generation of relationship. And all of this will come through to you in the next few modules.
So what we’ve done with Tony’s footage is that we’ve taken the most important concepts and put a narration and explanation to with and added a short lecture like by me like Mark was explaining. Actually, Tony has been asking us to do this for 5 years at least. And I kept thinking that it was too difficult but finally, we did it and we’re very happy to have done it because this is the best training anywhere and it’s my work definitely at the highest level and the same for Mark. So…
MP: Great. So this is truly an inter-disciplinary project. We think of it as something – as somewhat – open ended, we think of it as very compatible with other forms of work. So if you come from a different field, we have people who are educators, mediators, managers, CEO’s, best-selling authors as part of this training. We also have people who are trainers, coaches and therapists. And we basically want your ideas, we want to use what you need to learn and use what you know how to do and make it open ended so you can apply it but you can also bring something to strategic intervention.
C: Yeah. What is wonderful about strategic intervention is that you can always develop new strategies. So this approach is not an orthodox. So far there’s only one way of doing things. Anything, we take anything that works. The test for an intervention is that it works or not. And whatever you can contribute, if it works, it will be wonderful to incorporate and to develop new strategies.
MP: Absolutely, we really believe that it is important to be creative and the way to keep this tradition alive is for people to be innovating and applying it to different areas. So we’re really gang ho about that.
And we’re getting some great stories from people, also. We have – every week we get stories from different professions with their ideas. Okay. So let’s start on the mega strategies. The next five weeks we’ll be focusing on the mega strategies and these are large scale strategies that were responsible for probably around 80% of your success in intervention and then the conversation. And our mega strategies are extremely simple and powerful; it’s something that you can use in any conversation in life and if you want to use a core strategy this week, you do not have to go looking for a coaching client. You can do it anywhere.
And our goal is to describe the mega strategy; show how it works. And then invite you to introduce it into your communications, in your normal life or in your practice. Just become aware of that level of communication. You can do with your buddy as well. And mega strategy is, it’s one of those things someone looks at what’s something that Tony’s doing then say, “Wow! They did this great job and they did this.” You know, went to these three steps and then someone else says, “Why I can do these three steps.” Well, we are able to do them that well. Well, it’s kind of like a – you know the Michael Jordan who is the basketball player and what people used to say about him is, “He’s incredibly talented but he also spends tremendous amount of hours just shooting the hoops.” It was like a fundamental right? But being focused on the fundamentals that you need to have.
Well, I believe that any person who is a master in any area has got certain fundamentals of him if he’d just put in the time. And so the mega strategies are the areas of intervention that we’re picking out better something like, “Hey! These are the five things. If you practice these five things, you’re going to have an amazing muscle and amazing ability to make interventions work even if you don’t have to know all the other steps.
So, let’s start talking about the mega strategy in the Lindsey film. The first one is a strategy of metaphor in communication. Right, Cloe?
C: Right. So everybody has watched the Lindsey film. So do you remember that she talks about the heavy bag that she is carrying and the heavy bag is her debt and she has to repay this debt and it brings her down and it’s so heavy and Tony very skillfully, through metaphorical communication helps her to get rid of that bag? If you remember, first he asked her to put it down. When she puts it down, she shows in her physiology that she’s actually experiencing putting down that bag. It’s very interesting to watch her body movement then.
And ultimately Tony has her shoot it into the air and it disappears. And Lindsey responds to that and is obviously immediately relieved. It was so interesting to me that right after that, where in the beginning of the conversation she was referring to her work as a terrible pain for her, difficult thing, no joy in it at all but she had to work to pay the debt. When she has rid of that metaphorical bag, she explains she actually loves her work and she’s very happy about it. And it’s as if she can’t even remember the way that she talked about her work at the beginning which was completely disparaging kind of a reference. So this is the power of metaphor. Metaphors are extremely powerful when you are able to change a metaphor, you change the meaning and you change a person’s behavior.
So, let me explain a couple of things about metaphor. Metaphor can be simply a communication. For example, this heavy bag that I carry around as high as a kite. So, it can be a phrase, but it can also be an image. For example, the cross, which is a very powerful metaphor. But a metaphor – and this is really my contribution to the fields of metaphors – a metaphor can also be an interaction. For example, you can have an interaction between two people that is a metaphor for an interaction between two other people – sounds complicated but it’s really very simple. For example, a brother and sister might fight with each other in a way that is metaphorical of the arguments between the mother and the father. So, what happens with the interaction on metaphors is that often the metaphor in the interaction replaces the original interaction. So, for example, mother and father might be arguing, fighting with each other when the brother and sister begin to fight and their fight reaches a certain point. The mother and father are not arguing with each other anymore. They’re focused on the children. For example, they are talking about how could these children be so bad, how can we stop them from being violent? That kind of thing. But the fact is, that the fighting of the children replaced the fighting of the parents and it replaced the unpleasant or disturbing interaction between the parents.
So I’m sure that some of you are wondering whether children can actually do something like this deliberately. Yes, sometimes they do it deliberately, sometimes they do it unwittingly or unconsciously. But children can plan behaviors much more complicated than this. Just look at the kinds of things that they do in the computer games and so on. So, it’s no surprise that children might say, “Oh, when we fight with each other then mom and dad stop fighting so let’s do more of that.” And in this way, they are protecting their parents and to the point where their father might be even have been at the point of pushing the mother or hitting her and that negative interaction was interrupted by the children’s fighting.
MP: Yeah. The protective instinct of children is extremely ingenious. And children may not consciously realize that they’re doing something for that reason except that they feel it releases some tension in the family and children kind of lived in the space of the family. They feel it; it’s as if it’s their own body. So if it takes the tension off for the parents’ tension, the little boy or little girl know that they can ask certain annoying questions at certain times to get the people in the family to shift the focus to absolutely do that. And so…
C: But adults also do that to a great extent. So when you’re talking with someone or coaching an adult, it’s important to think, “Who is this person trying to protect? What are they protecting from what? Who? How are they are doing it?” And in Lindsey’s case, of course, she was being very protective of her children because her children had such a serious problem that she was – in doing that, she was neglecting her husband who was her greatest strength and her greatest resource.
MP: Yeah. And so often with metaphors that’s also the language of experience. What seems to make it so effective? It’s that when people are usually in the point where they’re feeling upset overwhelmed. You know, I meant it usually comes out with a metaphor. “I am at the end of my rope. I am feeling like I’m shut out here. You can’t stop me.” These are metaphors and that is how people experience them. And so when Tony gives her another metaphor or just brings her to the consciousness of – basically use that metaphor and does something with the metaphor – he actually does something in her. There is something strange in the human body. And I believe the husband had to deal with the fact that when we were children, we learn, we program our nervous system. We learned through play and play is imaginative. And when people are having imaginative play, they are inhabiting the space of metaphor. So, you’re being, “I’m going to be a dog and you are going to be a cat.” “I am going to be the fireman and you will be my friend fireman and we are going to go fight that fire.” It’s all – the scenarios that you put in your body are metaphors. I have a four year old boy and he’s – definitely runs into a lot of situations where he just does not want to do something. So, he wanted to get in the car and he says, “I want to go in the car. I want to go,” you know. “I will stay home.” And then, but I found that you know, it can be as simple as this, but I used a metaphor and said, “But you’re not getting in the car. We have to get you a new vehicle because we’re going to the moon.” And he goes, “Whoa!” “Yes, we got to go get some of those moon jeeps.” And whatever it is, you can use metaphors and so you know adults respond the same way. It was weird, isn’t it? And so often you’ll see in the intervention, when you’re watching Tony you’ll see that he is working with someone with a bit of little resistance and the kind of not accepting it – and usually people aren’t accepting it. They either don’t feel understood or they feel like it’s the wrong metaphor you are asking of them. So you shift the metaphor into left. Shift like a glove and they can do that thing. So…
C: Okay. So, I want to point out also that the behavior of an individual can also be a metaphor for another person’s behavior. I wanted to tell you a story of this case and it’s very interesting because the words several different levels of metaphor. And this was a little boy that the family consulted because he had terrible headache and the doctors could not find any physiological cause for this headaches. And when we began to interview the family, we discovered that the father had terrible problems at work. He didn’t get along with his boss and he got a very stressful job. He actually worked for a newspaper and he had terrible deadlines. And so he was afraid of losing his job and he came home with a metaphorical headache which was the headache that his job was. Now, he would come home eager to pick a fight with his wife and as a way of letting off the scene. And typically, he would come home and say something and then rush to the wife. And at that moment, the little boy would complain that he had a headache and he had terrible pain. And so the father would focus off his attention on the boy trying to distract and help him and at that moment was disconnected from his grouchiness towards the wife. And so, it is interesting because the child provided a temporary solution but ultimately he only added to the father’s problems and it is always like that, when people are trying to protect someone in an indirect way.
So, it was interesting because there were more metaphors in them and other metaphorical interaction between the children. It was that they would fight with each other. And in that way replace the parents fighting with each other.
MP: That’s right. It’s almost like in an unhealthful immune response in the sense that it prevents the primary problem from becoming severe but he creates a side problem and you know that is very, very common that if you’re working with a family, you’re understanding a child like their teacher for instance, and the child has got issues, then often that is the result of the metaphorical kind of use of attention in the family or more metaphorical acting out that is protecting the family, protecting the parents from experiencing another level of problem. Well then, it is very confusing, if sometimes when you work with the child directly and it’s confusing but we know how to deal with it. When you work with the child directly and for instance you work with the boy, too with the headache and he gets better, then often the real problem will resurface. And then…
C: That’s one – one of the ways of solving this is that you focus on the original problem. And so you help the father to deal better with his work, to deal better with his wife, to be more explicit about what he needs to have to change that work and then the child’s headache disappear. And that’s exactly what we did in that case.
MP: Great! So basically, there is one way you can look at something that you don’t understand the behavior, you don’t understand the symptom. It doesn’t have any physiological basis. And so you think, “Hmm, this could be a metaphorical expression without the problem. Work on the primary problem and the metaphorical one looks – stops being useful and stops being triggered. Does that make sense?
C: It makes sense to me.
MP: Great.
C: So, only first dealt with the metaphor of the heavy bag with Lindsey and then when she began to look at things in her life and did it more brightly and began to consider that she actually enjoyed her work, then Tony led her to be able to enjoy her husband and to see him as the greatest resource. And I know that some of you are thinking, “How did Tony know that the husband was the greatest resource?” And when you think about it, it’s completely obvious. This man stayed with Lindsey in spite of her drinking, gambling, incurring bad huge debt. He stayed with her even though they had two children who were so sick. Many husbands cannot stand the pain of seeing their children with so many problems and they leave. But he stayed through everything and he obviously was tolerant and compassionate. And even though Lindsey complained that he didn’t do enough to obtain what had to be done for the girls and so on, probably Lindsey blocking him from doing those things because Lindsey was the great expert who knew exactly what had to be done about the daughters. So, it was obvious to me from the beginning of the intervention that the husband had to be a great asset and a great resource and Tony immediately caught on to that and have Lindsey in the best possible way that he could which was to get her to appreciate her greatest resource.
MP: Exactly. So in this case, we’ll have some – if this sound complex to you – we’ll break it down for you. So don’t worry but we’re just basically trying to open up the discussion here that there are many different ways that you can work with metaphors as a mega strategy once you develop this instinct. And so, in these case, Tony worked with the metaphor first and then after the metaphors, he was able to work on the primary problem.
Other times, you might see that there is a metaphorical symptom say of – you can work with the primary problem first and the metaphor goes away. So it’s just kind of two ways of understanding how things happen and if you’re thinking about this, you might think about people that you know that someone has got a problem that‘s hard to explain like something that has a physiological basis or something where the person is not acting to their capacity. And you can think about it, like well, so who is the metaphor for someone would? What is he actually doing in that group? Whose attention is he getting? How was it diverting the attention and the actions of all the people? What are they not doing because that person has gone bad? And it’s just the way of thinking interactively and where creatively gets you a lot more flexibility and you understand some of the interactive patterns in groups. So that you can even think about in work places where there is someone who has some certain types of complaints that seems that’s not quite as substantiated or some kind of experience. So I just want to put that out there. Cloe has some great stories about ways to be a better person.
C: Yeah. I want to tell the story that is related to how to change a metaphor. Sometimes some metaphors are so ingrained in the culture that the meaning is taken for granted and never questioned and sometime the metaphor can be an unfortunate metaphor. So let me tell you the story.
A friend of mine asked me to do a consultation with a man that he was friendly with and that he was very worried about because this man had actually moved to San Diego and certain that he was going to find a job here and the job had not materialized. And he had been out of work for quite awhile and he couldn’t get any job and he was very depressed and talking about suicide. So my friend asked me if I would see him once. So he came into my office looking very sad and overweight, middle-aged man and he sat down heavily in front of me and I said that I hear that you have been concerned and sad and troubled because you can’t find a job and he said, “Yes, it’s been nine months now that I’m looking for a job and I’m completely discouraged that I have even thought about committing suicide.” And I said, “Isn’t the thought about committing suicide of over not having a job over not working?” And he said, “Yeah, I am very depressed about the situation.” And I said, “Wait a minute. You’re going to have to explain this to me more clearly. What’s quite so sad about not having work?” He looked at me like he could have said that I was coming from another planet. He said, “A work is very important for a person not only to be able to making a living but a man’s self-esteem is tied to his work. I have no self-esteem right now.” And I said, “You know, I don’t get it. I’m quite older than you. I’m really from the ‘60s generation and we didn’t want to work and none of my friends worked and we were very proud of that. We called work the rat race. We wanted to turn on, tune in and drop out. We’re not going to be a part of that rat race. And here you are about to kill yourself because you don’t have work, I do not get.” And so at this point, he was smiling a little bit. And I said to him, “By the way, what kind of work do you do?” And he said, “I’m an engineer and I have always worked in plants that manufacture weapons.” And I said, “Oh great! So the world is a better place because you’re not working.”
At this point, he was laughing. So I said, “Anyway, do you have a girlfriend?” And he said, “No. I can’t have a girlfriend. I don’t have any money.” And I said, “Since when money and love are connected? There is no connection there. You know what?” I said, “You should be enjoying the time that you have now to spend in any way you wish because you are not working. Because eventually you’re going to have to go to work and that’s inevitable. And then you will be sorry for all this things that you didn’t do while you didn’t have work.” “For example,” I said, “Go to the mountains, go the beach, go to the zoo.”
So he laughs then later on he left in a much better mood than he had come in. And the next morning, I had my work in my office and the phone rings and it’s him. And he says, “I just wanted to tell you that it’s a beautiful day.” And I said looking out the window, “Yes, it is. It’s a really beautiful day.” And he said, “And I’m at the zoo.” He paused and then he added, “With a woman.” So, he had followed my advice and a couple of months later he wrote to me saying how much I have helped him and that he had gotten a job eventually and then everything was okay.
MP: I think so. You know, you were in danger of permanently turning him off from work.
C: I know.
MP: But it is something that you didn’t corrupt him.
C: No, I wouldn’t have minded doing that.
MP: Cloe Madenas is here at Medical Society, if you’re making people here – encouraging people not to work that’s hilarious. But in a short term, it sounds like he was at the mercy of an unfortunate metaphor. If you feel that way.
C: Exactly.
MP: And that metaphor was actually instrumental…
C: I shifted that metaphor. It’s difficult to go back so he was completely into the Protestant ethic culture and he couldn’t see beyond it. Work was the most important thing. Work was like Godliness and when you open the door to the idea that there’s another way of living, you don’t have to be like that, it’s difficult to move back to that restricted way of thinking.
MP: Yeah. And metaphor has it when it’s unconscious when someone has it, it has a certain charge to it and just by making a conscious questioning it or tweaking it or asking the person to try it or change a little bit, it removes the charge – that kind of the unconscious charge from it that causes the suffering.
C: And then you’ll free her restrictions of the particular culture. So this is where a factor – another factor of strategic intervention that is very important is that our goal is to expand these assumptions to make more options available. There are many different ways of living. So what I made available to this man was that he could be happy without having work and before talking to me that was for him was unthinkable.
MP: Yep. And sometimes specially in your work, the people are in suffering because they feel like that there are options and there are actually other options but the person has shut them down inside themselves. So, even if they – it maybe something that’s frowned upon by the society like the idea that a man won’t work, that he is unemployed, he is going to go have fun.
C: In my day, it wasn’t frowned. We all did. That was the truth.
MP: But I’m - I am saying that you found the option of that he’d been shutting off from himself. You opened it up. Truly, the metaphor.
C: That’s right. And the same that Tony did with Lindsey having the image of the bad being blasted into the sun and she also have the image of the husband not preventing her from gambling and drinking and getting into debts is something bad that the husband had done when Tony in fact pointed out to her that that were acts of love, that the husband love her so much, that he would do anything to see her happy even for a moment. Once
she knows that her husband was like that, she couldn’t go back to thinking of the husband as someone unhelpful.
MP: What’s great about metaphor is that people accept it because it’s an image and it’s a feeling. People accept it so you can flip, you can change. If you’re keyed-in to what metaphor someone is using, you can shift that metaphor without even – you don’t have to announce it, you don’t have to say, “Hey, you’re in a metaphor. I’m going to shift it.” You just do it. You can just give him a different metaphor, offer a little – change it or poke fun at the money – metaphor. You know, say, “This has been the simplest thing in the world. Hey, nice today. Yeah I know, but – my – you know, I don’t know what I’m going to do with my umbrella today.” That’s a silly thing but if you’re shifting your metaphor – you know what I’m saying?
C: Yeah.
MP: So, this is one of the things that you can use anywhere, anytime and if you’re aware of the metaphor, basically, most times that someone is in a height of emotional state; they’re experiencing a metaphor of some sort.
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